tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4955582067533116261.post9151460663563364423..comments2023-10-26T09:39:43.398-04:00Comments on Eagles Blitz: And So Say All of Us...Tapp Into PhiladelphiaTommy Lawlorhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11785088312640195066noreply@blogger.comBlogger38125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4955582067533116261.post-12858448198702486142010-03-18T17:22:09.450-04:002010-03-18T17:22:09.450-04:00Kevin Curtis and Darren Howard released...
KC was...Kevin Curtis and Darren Howard released...<br /><br />KC was expected.<br /><br />Seems like VA has the inside track at being the nickel DT now.<br /><br />Honestly didn't expect Howard to get cut, but I don't think it's a bad move either.Ben Hesselhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11793604142035415303noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4955582067533116261.post-74867047994067091732010-03-18T16:57:44.435-04:002010-03-18T16:57:44.435-04:00I honestly don't understand how anyone in thei...I honestly don't understand how anyone in their right mind would take Spencer over Bradley & Kolb. I mean...i'd take Bradley over Spencer straight up (Pro Bowl MLB over solid DE)...when you had Kolb (at WORST, very good backup QB), it's a no-brainer.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00185845066169722102noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4955582067533116261.post-51039568034743770942010-03-18T15:43:59.854-04:002010-03-18T15:43:59.854-04:00Yeah, I don't understand the love for Spencer ...Yeah, I don't understand the love for Spencer all of a sudden. I think it's a case of "the grass is always greener..."Cliffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03620157295698136927noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4955582067533116261.post-84822652029259118282010-03-18T15:28:03.105-04:002010-03-18T15:28:03.105-04:00Myron, you're downgrading Eagles players and u...Myron, you're downgrading Eagles players and upgrading Spencer. How is Spencer a top 3 elite DE/OLB? Are you saying he's better than Demarcus Ware, Jared Allen, Dumerville, Freeney, Cole, and Peppers? He had 2 fewer sacks than Juqua Parker and just 1 more PD. He has more tackles because he's a LB and Parker is a situational DE. <br /><br />Plus, if the Eagles did not trade the pick, were they going to pick Spencer?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08943493737241992123noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4955582067533116261.post-58202954891844012352010-03-18T15:01:48.012-04:002010-03-18T15:01:48.012-04:00Check out the Charger's haul for their *3rd st...Check out the Charger's haul for their *3rd string* QB who hasn't ever thrown an NFL pass.<br />http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/17/chargers-give-qb-whitehurst-improve-draft-position/<br /><br />If this guy got that kind of return, how can we not get something good for Vick (former Pro Bowler) or McNabb (consistently one of the top 10 QBs in the league)?Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07340692895145746076noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4955582067533116261.post-57028485567359147412010-03-18T14:02:46.842-04:002010-03-18T14:02:46.842-04:00Myron, by your logic, why did every team pass up T...Myron, by your logic, why did every team pass up Trent Cole several times? You are going back in time with the knowledge you have now. If I remember correctly in Spencer's draft class he was one of those JPP like guys with intriguing intangibles but was a potential boom or bust candidate. Rewind back to last year and it looks like we came out ahead in that trade deal.<br /><br />To your points on stats, any time you need to rely on that to make your case, you are on shaky ground. There is no way possible to boil down a single defensive player's effectiveness by a stat and measure him against his peers. There are simply too many variables like scheme, surrounding cast, opponents, etc that make it ludacris to even try. Stew is a very good LB. Spencer looks like a very good 3-4 OLB. Celek is a very good TE. Who knows about Kolb, but if he even turns into a decent QB, I think this goes in the books as a "win" for the Eagles.Nethermanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16286221222349418097noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4955582067533116261.post-38021113814216569252010-03-18T13:21:46.704-04:002010-03-18T13:21:46.704-04:00Bradley is solid, but he's far from being a Pr...Bradley is solid, but he's far from being a Pro Bowl MLB. I don't know where you get this idea he played on a Pro Bowl level in 2008.<br /><br />According to profootballfocus, he was mostly middle-of-the-pack in stats for MLBs in 2008. And of course, he was a nonfactor in 2009 because of his injury, which of course was a concern heading into the 2007 draft.<br /><br />Anyway, the point is, DE is such a critical position that if you have the chance to snag an elite top 5 DE, you must take him. An elite DE is far more valuable than a backup QB, a solid MLB, and a solid TE.<br /><br />Unless Kolb turns into a reliable starter for the Eagles, again, it was a failure for the Eagles on draft day in 2007 to make that move down the board.Myronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05201745184051579199noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4955582067533116261.post-56322095216746017112010-03-18T12:51:27.966-04:002010-03-18T12:51:27.966-04:00Stewart Bradley is more than just an average LB. H...Stewart Bradley is more than just an average LB. He is a probowl LB prior to his ACL tear,and I believe he will be back to his old form. Brent Celek is a decent TE. Even if Kevin Kolb is the next David Gerrard this will still be a good deal. If he is the next Brady Quinn this is an awful deal.stvnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13369462151150446006noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4955582067533116261.post-87502509259399753662010-03-18T11:46:57.003-04:002010-03-18T11:46:57.003-04:00Cliff: So far Kevin Kolb has done little more for ...Cliff: So far Kevin Kolb has done little more for the Eagles than generate some QB controversy.<br /><br />Spencer, on the other hand, this past year, led the league in tackles for both 3-4 OLBs and 4-3 DEs, generated 7 sacks, and also led the league in QB pressures for both 3-4 OLbs and 4-3 DEs.<br /><br />I'd gladly give up Kolb, a solid TE (Celek) and an average MLB (Bradley) for a top 3, elite DE/OLB.<br /><br />So basically speaking, unless Kolb truly does become the future of this franchise and put in at least a respectable career as quarterback, I'd chalk this move up as a failure.Myronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05201745184051579199noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4955582067533116261.post-85026174609412885222010-03-18T10:45:31.563-04:002010-03-18T10:45:31.563-04:00If Seattle offered you their 6th and 14th pick ove...If Seattle offered you their 6th and 14th pick overall for Kolb, would you take it?<br /><br />Also, I know it's an unfair question but based on the two games he started how do you see him panning out in the future? To me I see him as a top 10 QB. Not a superstar but an above average QB. Somewhere along Eli Manning's levelstvnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13369462151150446006noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4955582067533116261.post-63348203358584950162010-03-18T09:00:09.026-04:002010-03-18T09:00:09.026-04:00Another problem with comparing Kolb to Spencer is ...Another problem with comparing Kolb to Spencer is how do you even compare a QB to a DE? Both positions impact a team differently. If Spencer averages 10 sacks a year over the prime of his career and Kolb only achieves a mid-80's passer rating with 25 TD's a season (i.e. becomes something more like Flacco than Rodgers); who had the better career? Who helped their team more? <br /><br />You simply can't make those comparisons using empirical evidence, which means we'd be debating <i>forever</i>. I don't see the point.Cliffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03620157295698136927noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4955582067533116261.post-63272719300833412212010-03-17T21:49:54.709-04:002010-03-17T21:49:54.709-04:00RE: Kolb's value
Kevin was not a late round ...RE: Kolb's value<br /><br />Kevin was not a late round prospect to most teams. That is hogwash. <br /><br />The Eagles may have had a higher grade than most, but it is unlikely he would have lasted to our 2nd round spot. <br /><br />Tom Heckert was a master at knowing when players would go on draft day. He felt confident we could move back and still get Kevin. That netted us additional picks, but still got the player we coveted. <br /><br />Bottom line is this when dealing with QBs: better safe than sorry. If you find a QB you like, go get him. Period. Don't reach a couple of rounds early or anything like that, but do not try to wait until the last possible moment. QB is the most important position in all of football. Better to spend a 2nd on Kolb than to have to use a pair of 1st rounders on Jay Cutler or to have the team bottom out which gives you the high pick to invest in a franchise QB.Tommy Lawlorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11785088312640195066noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4955582067533116261.post-40050889785981642532010-03-17T21:35:27.498-04:002010-03-17T21:35:27.498-04:00Myron, you could make yourself crazy second guessi...Myron, you could make yourself crazy second guessing who would have fallen where with almost any pick. Heck, people are undecided about who should go number 1 this year even if St Louis keeps the pick.Nethermanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16286221222349418097noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4955582067533116261.post-30860489605470629722010-03-17T20:46:16.412-04:002010-03-17T20:46:16.412-04:00Can't discount the fact that we got Stewart Br...Can't discount the fact that we got Stewart Bradley out of that deal as well. It's not like we didn't get someone with pro bowl potential already, Kolb would just be a kicker.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18085850538234303845noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4955582067533116261.post-13734116272234356572010-03-17T20:45:51.001-04:002010-03-17T20:45:51.001-04:00I get irritated when people talk about that trade ...I get irritated when people talk about that trade by comparing Kevin Kolb to Anthony Spencer, as if the two were traded straight up. The Eagles received other players in that trade, you know. Without extra picks in the 3rd and 5th rounds that year, it's possible the Eagles are currently without Stewart Bradely, Brent Celek, or even both.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18311540520510032848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4955582067533116261.post-19353317887431043862010-03-17T19:51:29.615-04:002010-03-17T19:51:29.615-04:00Miami was really interested in Kolb aswell and the...Miami was really interested in Kolb aswell and they drafted a pretty close to us in the top 2nd there, so either way i doubt kolb would of lasted to the end of the 2nd.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03532586495663498074noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4955582067533116261.post-81386024881334869372010-03-17T19:34:31.679-04:002010-03-17T19:34:31.679-04:00What I'm wondering is if Kolb couldn't hav...What I'm wondering is if Kolb couldn't have just been available in the bottom of the second round if the Eagles selected Spencer in the first. He wasn't exactly a highly touted QB prospect in that draft, if I remember correctly.<br /><br />I really don't understand the move down the board. If Kolb was indeed a hot prospect, why not pick him with the #24 pick? If Kolb was a late round prospect for most teams, why not just wait until your 2nd round pick to select him and still utilize your first on Spencer?Myronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05201745184051579199noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4955582067533116261.post-14246467498311163322010-03-17T17:54:51.189-04:002010-03-17T17:54:51.189-04:00RE: Spencer / Kolb
This will be a fun/annoying d...RE: Spencer / Kolb<br /><br />This will be a fun/annoying duo to study for the next several years. Anthony got off to a slow start, but really emerged last year. Good young LB/DE. Kolb might do the same thing this year, depending on a potential trade of McNabb. <br /><br />Adam S. is correct that you just don't pass on a QB you believe in. That is the most important position in football. A great defense without a QB won't get you much. The 2000 Ravens are the rare exception. <br /><br />If Spencer becomes an All-Pro and Kolb washes out, history will show that Dallas got the better of the situation. That doesn't mean the Eagles made a bad move. You have to judge moves based on the circumstances at the time of the deal. Donnie was coming off a torn ACL. We needed a young QB to start grooming. Getting Kolb was the right thing to do at that time. <br /><br />Let's hope history proves it was a good move in the long run as well.Tommy Lawlorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11785088312640195066noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4955582067533116261.post-7200063269373264852010-03-17T17:45:01.245-04:002010-03-17T17:45:01.245-04:00Spencer is also a much better fit for the 3-4. Wou...Spencer is also a much better fit for the 3-4. Would he be as good in our defense? We don't know.<br /><br />Plus, if Kolb starts this year and goes all Aaron Rodgers on us, will you still be thinking about Spencer? Doubt it.Cliffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03620157295698136927noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4955582067533116261.post-39849285902180730702010-03-17T17:25:54.894-04:002010-03-17T17:25:54.894-04:00Re: Myron
I don't think that you pass on a qu...Re: Myron<br /><br />I don't think that you pass on a quarterback that you believe in at any point. If he doesn't make it to the end of the round we don't have a QB of the future on our roster right now (obviously they could have changed that between now and then). Given McNabb's health concerns at the time, I think it was reasonable to move back to grab him. Am I glad they traded with Dallas to accomplish that, hells nah!<br /><br />Their scouting reports obviously didn't see Spencer becoming the force he is today. After his first season few saw this coming. Plus I think if Jon Beason isn't picked the selection before there is no trade and Beason is in Midnight Green. <br /><br />ALSO you have to keep in mind that the trade also netted us Stewart Bradley. <br /><br />Kolb + Bradley > SpencerAdam S.https://www.blogger.com/profile/11550402871381739282noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4955582067533116261.post-15357233556533360712010-03-17T14:39:06.109-04:002010-03-17T14:39:06.109-04:00Tommy, does it still bother you that in 2007 they ...Tommy, does it still bother you that in 2007 they passed on Anthony Spencer, who is now beastly in Dallas's lineup? He led the league last year in Stops and Tackles for 3-4 OLBs and 4-3 DEs and generated consistent QB pressure in the latter half of the season.<br /><br />The more I think about it, the more annoying it is to me - Spencer really came into his own this past year, and looks to be a top-flight DE/OLB now. He could have been putting up those great tackle/sack numbers for the Eagles this whole time instead.<br /><br />The recent signing of Tapp is nice, but I was recently pondering the previous drafts and that 2007 trade-down still sticks out in my mind as a potentially bad move for the future. I mean, they could have had the LDE of the future in Spencer, but now Dallas has him. Couldn't they have just waited to see if Kolb was available in the bottom of the second round instead of trading down? It still bothers me.Myronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05201745184051579199noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4955582067533116261.post-55437505416534731192010-03-17T14:38:52.006-04:002010-03-17T14:38:52.006-04:00RE: Shawn
He talks a good game, but has shown no...RE: Shawn<br /><br />He talks a good game, but has shown no indication that he's really committed to playing football. At some point you're wise to let go of projects and focus on players. <br /><br />This move had nothing to do with money. The Eagles put up with a lot of stuff from Shawn and were as patient as humanly possible. It was just time to move on.<br /><br />I don't think Stacy will be upset with this. I think he knew Shawn was a goner. Stacy wants to stay an Eagle, win some games, and make some money. <br /><br />Shawn is off in his own world, or at least it seems that way.Tommy Lawlorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11785088312640195066noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4955582067533116261.post-16266346532281759762010-03-17T14:19:36.919-04:002010-03-17T14:19:36.919-04:00Releasing Shawn Andrews was a mistake. he was a do...Releasing Shawn Andrews was a mistake. he was a dominate run blocking and someone who i thought if healthy could leaps and bounds above justice. it cant be about hthe money because he is making a low base salary. i think at the very least we should have allowed him a chance to come to training camp. if he wasn't healthy then, then you could justify release him.Eddiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03775282744556550782noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4955582067533116261.post-48925398093866770372010-03-17T13:28:55.487-04:002010-03-17T13:28:55.487-04:00How does this effect Stacy? Many fans have lumped ...How does this effect Stacy? Many fans have lumped him with his brother which may make the Linc feel like less than home to him. Could he be a draft day trade possibility? Did the reworking of his contract make that more or less plausible? Probably a question for Sam over at Iggles Blog.T_S_O_Phttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00283968416092444778noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4955582067533116261.post-7246818513568869252010-03-17T12:59:09.875-04:002010-03-17T12:59:09.875-04:00I like both moves. Is it just me or do these moves...I like both moves. Is it just me or do these moves feel a little more aggressive than what we've done in the past?Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18085850538234303845noreply@blogger.com