tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4955582067533116261.post6296153683256235499..comments2023-10-26T09:39:43.398-04:00Comments on Eagles Blitz: More on the TEsTommy Lawlorhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11785088312640195066noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4955582067533116261.post-49113858523991051202009-06-24T07:47:46.993-04:002009-06-24T07:47:46.993-04:00ZackISM suggested that Reid might use other player...ZackISM suggested that Reid might use other players as tight ends or like tight ends to sort of hedge if the Eagles decide to go with on two real tight ends. I doubt Reid would do that very much. But one situation is intriguing to me. Jason Peters was a former tight end. Now I would imagine that Reid sees left tackle as too important to dilute his efforts with relearning the tight end position. But Reid also likes trick plays and I think it could be smart in the first two games or so to use Peters about twice in a tackle eligible situation to get it on tape. That would give defenses something to think about for the rest of the year.izzylangfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18329253927324394561noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4955582067533116261.post-46644356439826548202009-06-24T01:23:03.981-04:002009-06-24T01:23:03.981-04:00RE: 2 TE's...
I don't think any Andrews/P...RE: 2 TE's...<br /><br />I don't think any Andrews/Peters/Herremans TE formations are anything more than a twice a season goal-line stunt. I'm not interested in losing any of these guys to some sort of undercut/knee-injury, and the prospect of sliding them out there in a regular, two TE-set (not at the goal-line) doesn't make much sense to me because it <br />A) takes a pro-bowl caliber lineman out of his position, <br />B) removes a legitimate pass-catching/RAC threat from the field (no matter how much they belly-ache to play TE, these guys don't belong in the open field) and, <br />C) because of B, you telegraph the run, which also won't be as effective because of A. <br /><br />Maybe you throw that formation in there at the goal-line or an important 4th and 1, but it really shouldn't be part of a regular game plan, especially in a west coast offense where the "threat" of a receiver tends to be half the battle. <br /> <br />My particular concern with only carrying 2 TE's is injury - these guys get banged-up quite a bit. You can make the case that if you lose a TE in a game, you can pick up a Schoebel-esque player off the wire that week, but I wonder what that does to the playbook in the meanwhile (and on-going, assuming waiver-wire TE won't get the full playbook right away). What does the team do in that pinch during a game? Weaver? Baskett? Boy it really is a shame that Dorenbros is such a long-snapping specialist - a legitimate TE who could also long-snap would open up the roster (I can't believe Schoebel wasn't out there practicing that every day since Chicago...). All of that said, I don't fault the team for carrying Dorenbros - an automatic long-snapper is probably worth it, though we'll hopefully never notice it. <br /><br />@ Izzylangfan's question #2: I think - of late - that Avant has filled that traditional 3rd and short TE role (position defender on hip and fight for the catch). Obviously he doesn't have the size of a TE and isn't going against a linebacker, but he has the hands and footwork to get a little more separation a little farther down the field than your prototypical TE buttonhookish play. I think LJ was supposed to fill that traditional role but inconsistent hands scared McNabb (and Reid/MM) away, so Avant started doing it down the field. I absolutely agree that - in addition to Avant - we do need that short field threat for 3rd and 3 and obviously the end zone... it minimizes the risks of throwing 10 yards to Avant (less time in pocket, "easier" throw, tipped ball not caroming right into a DB-infested area...). Per Tommy's observation that LJ opened up the deeper routes and seams for Celek (who seems to be adjusting well to that), it does beg the question of who can fill that "sit" or "outlet" type role. Maybe that's where Bright can really shine... forgive me for that last one.Baloophihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06192541259692148297noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4955582067533116261.post-85285840835590769202009-06-24T00:03:18.347-04:002009-06-24T00:03:18.347-04:00I think asking Hank Baskett to add 10 lbs. ("...I think asking Hank Baskett to add 10 lbs. ("good pounds) this off-season would be next to impossible.<br /><br />For starters, the guys is already our slowest WR. If he doesn't bulk up right, he could lose the little speed he has. Besides, I imagine it has to be really hard to bulk up over the course of Training Camp. Obviously I'm not a pro-athlete, but I remember mini-camps and summer practice in high school. I always lost a lot of weight.<br /><br />Now throw in the fact that he's getting married to a Playmate. That's the usual chaos of marriage sprinkled with visits to Hef's mansion, being forced to sit through Kendra's poll-dancing practice sessions, being exposed to reality TV cameras everywhere, etc.<br /><br />And even if Hank were able to manage all that and put on some weight and learn the TE position to the point where he could be a "reserve" TE, I ask, is it even worth the trouble? Hank's potential as a good, role player WR could be damaged by taking his focus away from the WR position and making him change his body. Plus, as a previous commenter mentioned, we have Jason Peters as a "reserve" TE. <br /><br />Not even considering the TE situation, we're going to have a different sort of roster this year than we've had in the past. We're very young at RB. We have two FB's who think they're RB's. We've got 7 WR's who could make a case for a roster spot. We have 10 DB's. So, with all that said, I would only carry 2 TE's this season.Cliffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03620157295698136927noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4955582067533116261.post-27098963459200479702009-06-23T18:15:35.398-04:002009-06-23T18:15:35.398-04:00I like ZackISM's post a lot and thought we sho...I like ZackISM's post a lot and thought we should've done that last season in short-yardage, goalline situations. We certainly have enough backup guards who don't suck, might as well use them for something.<br /><br />If we have to have a third tight end, why not Hank Baskett? He's a pretty big guy. Why not just ask him to put on ten lbs, and have him be the de facto third guy?AaronStampler (a.k.a. Michael Erler)https://www.blogger.com/profile/09738190967331568490noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4955582067533116261.post-3584204609935820262009-06-23T09:14:16.566-04:002009-06-23T09:14:16.566-04:00You mentioned the possibility of going 2 TE's....You mentioned the possibility of going 2 TE's....Is it possible Reid would feel safe doing this with the knowledge that A. Jason Peters played TE in college. B. Herremans is 1 for 1 (in terms of targets/catches) and C. Shawn Andrews has expressed interest in playing the role in situations?<br /><br />We could go O-Line heavy like normal, and just move one of the three out and insert Cole/McGlynn/Giles?<br /><br />That would give us the blocking TE you are concerned about, and if we wanted to go real big, we could always flex out Celek or Ingram in this package to WR (which I believe I've read Celek has been practicing and Ingram did in college)...ZackISMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17017053425025734386noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4955582067533116261.post-83860383801349140082009-06-23T08:18:01.667-04:002009-06-23T08:18:01.667-04:00You mention that the Eagles have used tight ends o...You mention that the Eagles have used tight ends of varying types over the years. But the last three tight ends drafted LJ, Celek and Ingram have all been the type who can get down the field and don't block well (at least initially although reports indicate that LJ learned to be a pretty good blocker eventually). I know you think Ingram potentially is more diverse, although he comes in without skills of a polished blocker and playing largely in open space. But my questions are:<br /><br />1: Do you think that Reid is overly concerned with the longer passes to the tight end instead of working the short game.<br /><br />2: I have this vision of the prototypical tight end play where he fights off the initial block, doesn't get real seperation but keeps the defender on his back hip and the QB throws the ball to the other side for and easy completion (almost impossible to defend because the defender would have to go through the TE to make a play). Do the Eagles under use this type of play and wouldn't it be a great call on first and ten and third and 6 or third and short that perhaps the Eagless could make better use of?<br /><br />3:What are the Eagles trying to do with their tight ends?<br /><br />4: How do the Eagle opponents typical defend our tight ends? i.e. Do they use linebackers or safeties? do they shade them to the inside or outside? What are they worried about? etc.izzylangfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18329253927324394561noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4955582067533116261.post-1839227946505350662009-06-23T00:55:09.914-04:002009-06-23T00:55:09.914-04:00I wouldn't have waited till February to cut Sc...I wouldn't have waited till February to cut Schoebel, I wanted him gone the week of the Chicago game. I don't think I've ever been so furious at a player in green in my life, to put no effort into a block at that critical juncture in the game is so inexcusable, so unthinkable I think I was literally frothing with rage the night of the loss. If Schoebel had simply gotten his ass kicked on the block and Brown ends up making the tackle, then I'm like wow Schoebel sucks, but I can live with the idea that we don't have a tremendous 3rd string tight end. Very few teams I imagine would have a 3rd TE that you'd even put a passable grade on.<br /><br />But to just literally stand up and do nothing at the snap of the ball? I'm so curious about how you can justify keeping such a dreadfully marginal player on a roster when he shows that kind of effort.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18085850538234303845noreply@blogger.com